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** READ THIS ** Classified Ad Rules Effective 1 May 2011

MARKETPLACE/CLASSIFIED AD RULES:

1. Profile Requirements

To start a sale, buy or trade thread anywhere in the Marketplace, your Profile must contain:

A. Your FIRST and LAST name as well as your STATE of residence. Your profile privacy settings must be set to at least allow registered users the ability to view your profile info, i.e. - Not set to "Friends only."
B. You must "enable receive email and PM’s" in your Control panel if you intend to buy or sell.

Additionally, you must have a valid email address listed in your registration profile (which can only be viewed by moderators/admin in the vBulletin master page).

Users with obvious fake names, or using false names in their profile will be permanently removed from the forum without warning. Users with multiple usernames will have at least the duplicate accounts removed, as well as the possibility of all accounts.
PLEASE NOTE: When a member has failed to put their full names and location in their profile, their ads will be deleted WITHOUT NOTICE. You are responsible enough to be involved in firearm activity, so you can be responsible enough to read and understand the forum rules. The posted rules ARE your notice as they are posted throughout the forum. Threads/ads will be restored once a member has updated their profile with first and last name, and state.


2. The Marketplace is intended SOLELY for the mutual benefit of forum members as a resource to support each other's collecting and/or shooting goals.
It is NOT intended for, and will NOT be used by members as a repeated, for-profit venture/operation. This includes:
A. Purchasing items from members on the forum, then posting them for sale at a markup/profit on other commercial sites, i.e. – eBay, Craigslist, Reddit, Gunbroker, etc.
B. Reselling items at a considerable markup that were recently purchased from CMP.
Members found to have clearly abused this policy will lose the ability to post in and use the Marketplace, and potentially have their forum privileges suspended, temporarily or permanently.


3. You may only list personally owned items, and/or request/WTB items for yourself. “Selling (or buying) this for a friend/family member” ads, and 3rd-party sales/purchases are prohibited.
Additionally, NO eBay, Craigslist, Gunbroker Reddit or outside linking of for sale items to any of these style sites, or posting information to one of these listings! Repeat violations will result in at least temporary suspension.
If you have stuff in auction on eBay, then sell it on eBay. We will not have the items placed here also. List your product here, try to sell it here, then take it to eBay, Gunbroker, Craigslist, auction-arms etc.

There will be no “auction style” selling here…If you post an item for sale and it says anything like "I will take the highest offer" it will be removed.
We ask that you list your item on just one forum, so there is not confusion and/or issues with an item being sold on another forum when someone attempts to purchase it here. If you do list and sell on another forum, it is your responsibility to immediately update your ad on our forum…if you do not, your privilege to post in the Marketplace and even the forum itself may be suspended, at least temporarily.

NOTE REGARDING 1911 PISTOLS PURCHASED FROM CMP:
If you are considering selling a 1911/1911A1 you acquired directly from CMP, you MUST obtain approval from CMP1911ADMIN before listing it on the forum as purchasers of these weapons are not allowed to resell them as a condition of the purchase. You may reach him via PM or email: [email protected]


4. Vendors (or people selling large quantities of the same item as part of a commercial venture) must first contact a moderator or admin.


5. Omission of information is also known as fraud. It is wholly the responsibility of the person listing an item to describe it ACCURATELY and TRUTHFULLY.
Example: If you are selling a rifle stock that has a 9 inch crack in it you need to disclose that information to the buyer. Do not describe the item or tell the buyer that the stock has "light scratches" only.
If we determine that you defraud a member by failing to disclose facts about your items, your access to this section will be restricted and you may be permanently banned from the forum.


6. CLASSIFIED AD REQUIREMENTS
A. Briefly describe your item in the title, along with WTS, WTT or WTB.
B. We do not have any rules regarding notification of a purchase or trade in an ad...it can be accomplished via a post on the thread, a PM, an email, a phone call, a pigeon carrier, etc. However, if you set the terms of your sale, you must follow them! We do not require or enforce any conditions of purchase; however, if a member violates their own terms then they are subject to at least suspension from the Marketplace section. For example: If you say, "First 'I'll take it' gets it," and sell to someone via PM or email without updating your ad and someone posts they'll take it, that's on you. We will not be party to a dispute, but you WILL lose your privilege to post in the Marketplace as a minimum since you failed to follow your own conditions.
C. You must list a price, and make it easily visible, not just lost in the description. Ads without a price will be deleted. It is ok to list a price and OBO (or best offer); however, no auction-style listings
D. As noted in item #4, provide ALL and ACCURATE details. i.e color, size, caliber, year, make, model, condition, defects, etc
E. Post pictures, or at least the links to them. If you are unable to post pics, then make them available via e-mail.
F. List shipping, pick-up or delivery options for the buyer, as well as cost.
G. Be sure to mark your ad as "SOLD" once the items are sold.


7. Do not bump ads older than 90 days without moderator approval. Ads older than 90 days will be locked if they get bumped.


8. Do not bump an ad more than once within a 24-hour period. Ads bumped multiple times within 24 hours will be locked or deleted. Members who continually do this will have their ads locked or deleted, and will lose your privilege to post in the Marketplace.


9. Remove previous bump posts so as to keep the size of the threads to a minimum. Nobody wants to have to search through 4+ pages of "Bump" or "ttt" posts simply to find information on the item listed.
If not removed, mods will remove them and/or delete the thread if it gets out of hand.


10. If you commit to buy or sell, please contact the seller or buyer within 24 hours with a PM or email to make arrangements.


11. If an item is sold, please mark the thread as such. This will help eliminate the old threads coming back up, as well as help those looking for specific items.


12. For WTB items anywhere in the Marketplace:
- Only respond to a WTB ad if you possess the requested item or have specific knowledge of that item’s availability. For example, do not post, “Check eBay” or “Check Gunbroker.”
- Once you have found/purchased the item(s) desired, delete the thread so as to not waste other members' time and allow for other threads to have visibility.


13. Keep the classified threads clean of extraneous/fluff comments and questions, regardless of how innocent or praiseworthy. This prevents derailing the thread and generating wasteful, opinionated discussions, as well as surreptitious bumping of threads.
If you have a technical or knowledge question relating to a listed item, start a new thread or search and add to an existing thread.
If you want to thank or praise a seller or item, DON'T do it in the sale thread as it unnecessarily bumps a stale thread, and said comments will be deleted. Instead, do the person the courtesy of posting in the Buyer/Seller Feedback section here:


Basically, if you don't have a question DIRECTLY related to a sale/trade/purchase of a specific thread, don't post! And this particularly applies to stomping a member’s ad concerning their asking price as there is a tendency to post negative replies when someone lists an item for sale that others consider overpriced.
We will not tolerate members stomping another member's ad concerning their asking price.
This also includes posting low-ball offers. If you want to make an offer lower than the asking price, even if it states OBO, do it via PM or email.
If an item is sold and the listing member deleted the price (which is their prerogative) and you want to know what the price was, do NOT post in the thread…send the member a PM.

Those who continually stomp or hijack other member's ads will face temporary, and even permanent suspension of their forum privileges.


14. No duplicate or multiple threads in different sections for the same item. Pick one section, the most applicable, and post there. Additional duplicate threads will be deleted.


15. You may not use the signature block function to solicit purchases, trades and/or sales. That is why we have the Marketplace...post a thread with your specific WTB, WTS, WTT ad.
You may have up to two lines stating you are looking or searching for a particular rifle/weapon and serial number.
As with individual posts, signature blocks/lines are subject to the same forum rules and will be handled accordingly if they violate any forum rules, policies/procedures or take up too much room of a post.


OTHER TIPS/GUIDELINES
- Buyers and Sellers should verify each other’s identity before sending money and/or products. If possible, get each other’s phone number and have a quick conversation to confirm the transaction details.
- As a suggestion: sellers should consider using delivery confirmation to avoid conflicts from buyers; saying they never received the products.
- Buyers, get to know the seller a little before you blindly send cash. If something does not seem right; it probably isn't. If something seems too good to be true; it probably is. Contact a moderator or report a thread/post that appears to be a scam.
- Respect fellow members. This section is a great place to support/help out fellow members and occasionally make new friends. Please be respectful to your fellow members. Maybe try selling here to a member instead of eBay, maybe save them a buck or two. If you have any questions, problems or concerns feel free to contact a moderator or admin.
- We do not require members to keep ads, or keep a listing price in the thread. It is your ad, so you are free to delete it at your discretion, as well as remove the asking price if you so desire. If someone is curious about the price for what an item sold, contact the seller via PM…do NOT post in thread.
- Lastly, don't forget the <b>Buyer/Seller Feedback section</b>

Be sure to express a good or bad experience with your buyer or seller, and let others know what to expect. Also be sure to check there for a member if you are concerned BEFORE you buy.


MODERATION RULES/ENFORCEMENT
1. All spammers get banned instantly and permanently.
2. Inappropriate or out of hand threads shall be closed with or without reason posted for the closure or deleted at the discretion of the Mods/Admins.
3. If you cannot follow the rules set forth, your posts may be deleted, removed, or edited by the Moderators.
4. If you repeatedly do not follow the rules set forth, you will be banned from this section or from the CMP Forum for any length of time from 2 days to permanently, at the discretion of the Moderators.

NOTE: These rules can change at any time. Administrators and Moderators have the right to make any decision that fits the website and its users.


DISCLAIMER
The CMP, any of its staff and forum administrators/moderators assume NO liability or responsibility for Marketplace transactions. Members will use at their own risk, and CMP will not be responsible for any disputes or claims between members involving a transaction.
The Civilian Marksmanship Program forum is intended primarily to be a technically-oriented website for professional, courteous, and intellectual discussion of CMP matches, activities, firearms and related events. We are an online community founded by enthusiasts, for enthusiasts, of all ages and walks of life. Remember that we have youth CMP participants who view this site. Please enjoy your stay and with your help, we can make the CMP Forums safe for all.


The opinions and posts on this site do not necessarily reflect those of The Civilian Marksmanship Program.


If you have any questions, please contact a Moderator

CMP Staff
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Rules -PLEASE READ!

Forum rules can be found here:
Announcements, Comments, News, And Questions relating to the site.


Added rules:

* No flaming or insulting of other members. You will get one warning via a private message. Repeat offenses will result in being banned. (We are quite serious about this folks).

* Vendor bashing will not be tolerated. You will get one warning via a private message. Repeat offenses will result in being banned.

* When posting, try to use descriptive titles for your threads to enhance the searchability of the site. Thread titles such as "Help Me" or "Dang this sucks" should NOT be used. Instead try titles like 'Need Help with Sights', 'How to Perform Stock Refinish', or 'Vibration in Handguard". This will help other people search the site with better accuracy and make it easier for people to help you out.

* Everyone has a personal opinion and they will often differ from others. If you get into an argument over something, debate the issue, not the member. If you feel the need to get into a heated discussion with someone, send them a private message. Personal debates on the forum will not be tolerated.

* Do NOT post copyrighted material on this Forum without consent of the author. This could be from another website, or a book that you personally own. The owner/Admins of this site will not be held liable for any copyright infringement of this type, and as such, will prevent (to the best of our ability) it's posting in public. This is for the protection of ALL members.

* Do NOT post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-orientated, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violate any laws. These types of messages will not be tolerated. You will get one warning via a private message. Serious offenses may result in immediate permanent suspension. Repeat offenses will result in being permanently suspended.

* Avoid thread hi-jacking. Moderators will be looking for this and will more than likely split the topic if it gets too drastic, as well as take appropriate action where deemed necessary, to include deleting posts and/or enforcement action.
Please do not post the same question or post across multiple forums, or in the same thread. The best way to get the answers you are searching for is to post a clear single question in the appropriate forum and be patient, Replies will come. If you are in a hurry for a particular answer try using the search button or reading through replies to similar questions. It may just contain the information that you need. No need to post the same information again and again as this just clogs up threads/sub-forums.
Do not bump non-Marketplace threads as that can clutter the front page of a discussion forum. Posts bumping discussion threads will be deleted.

* Any members advertising their wares on the site without expressed permission will get banned. Personal items for sale in the classifieds are ok as long as the meet the criteria laid out in the site rules.

* Do not post any info, posts or threads regarding the process of going to the estore and artificially placing a large number of items in your cart simply for the purpose of seeing what inventory remains of an item carried on the estore!
This activity slows down the estore and can cause problems with it crashing, errors with people's orders, and inventory errors, particularly during periods of high demand/traffic.
Anyone making such posts on the forum will be warned once, then have their forum privileges suspended at least temporarily for a second violation. Further violations can result in permanent suspension.

* There will be no posting of links to, or copying information from listings on outside auctions/commercial sites, i.e. -- Gunbroker, Ebay, Armslist, Craigslist, Reddit, gun trader sites, etc, that are still active/live. We will not provide a platform for members to promote said auctions as there is no viable way to determine whether they or someone they know has a stake in the auction. Posts with this information will be removed. Continual violations will result in suspension of forum privileges. You may link to closed/completed auctions in the sake of education and learning.

* Users who post fake information, i.e. - name, location, in their profile, or otherwise provide/post false information/data about themselves will be instantly banned. Users who register multiple usernames will also be removed.

* Your account may be revoked at any time for any reason.

Generally, the following enforcement policy will apply:

1st offense - warning
2nd offense - banned for one week to six month
3rd offense - banned for one year
4th offense - banned permanently
** Depending on the nature of the offense/rule violation, first offense can result in ANY of the above enforcement actions.



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ADDITIONAL RULES, TO INCLUDE MARKETPLACE/CLASSIFIED AD RULES:

1. Profile Requirements

To start a sale, buy or trade thread anywhere in the Marketplace, your Profile must contain:

A. Your FIRST and LAST name as well as your STATE of residence. Your profile privacy settings must be set to at least allow registered users the ability to view your profile info, i.e. - Not set to "Friends only."
B. You must "enable receive email and PM’s" in your Control panel if you intend to buy or sell.

Additionally, you must have a valid email address listed in your registration profile (which can only be viewed by moderators/admin in the vBulletin master page).

Users with obvious fake names, or using false names in their profile will be permanently removed from the forum without warning.
PLEASE NOTE: When a member has failed to put their full names and location in their profile, their ads will be deleted WITHOUT NOTICE. You are responsible enough to be involved in firearm activity, so you can be responsible enough to read and understand the forum rules. The posted rules ARE your notice as they are posted throughout the forum. Threads/ads will be restored once a member has updated their profile with first and last name, and state.


2. The Marketplace is intended SOLELY for the mutual benefit of forum members as a resource to support each other's collecting and/or shooting goals.
It is NOT intended for, and will NOT be used by members as a repeated, for-profit venture/operation. This includes:
A. Purchasing items from members on the forum, then posting them for sale at a markup/profit on other commercial sites, i.e. – eBay, Gunbroker, etc.
B. Reselling items at a considerable markup that were recently purchased from CMP.
Members found to have clearly abused this policy will lose the ability to post in and use the Marketplace, and potentially have their forum privileges suspended, temporarily or permanently.


3. You may only list personally owned items, and/or request/WTB items for yourself. “Selling (or buying) this for a friend/family member” ads, and 3rd-party sales/purchases are prohibited.
Additionally, NO posting or linking to listings on eBay, Craigslist, Gunbroker, Reddit, or other outside auction/commercial sites. We will not have the items placed here also. List your product here, try to sell it here, then take it to eBay, Craigslist, Gunbroker, auction-arms, etc.

4. There will be no “auction style” selling here…If you post an item for sale and it says anything like "I will take the highest offer" it will be removed.
We ask that you list your item on just one forum, so there is not confusion and/or issues with an item being sold on another forum when someone attempts to purchase it here. If you do list and sell on another forum, it is your responsibility to immediately update your ad on our forum…if you do not, your privilege to post in the Marketplace and even the forum itself may be suspended, at least temporarily.

NOTE REGARDING 1911 PISTOLS PURCHASED FROM CMP:
If you are considering selling a 1911/1911A1 you acquired directly from CMP, you MUST obtain approval from CMP1911ADMIN before listing it on the forum as purchasers of these weapons are not allowed to resell them as a condition of the purchase. You may reach him via PM or email: [email protected]


5. Vendors (or people selling large quantities of the same item as part of a commercial venture) must first contact a moderator or admin.


6. Omission of information is also known as fraud. It is wholly the responsibility of the person listing an item to describe it ACCURATELY and TRUTHFULLY.
Example: If you are selling a rifle stock that has a 9 inch crack in it you need to disclose that information to the buyer. Do not describe the item or tell the buyer that the stock has "light scratches" only.
If we determine that you defraud a member by failing to disclose facts about your items, your access to this section will be restricted and you may be permanently banned from the forum.


7. CLASSIFIED AD REQUIREMENTS
A. Briefly describe your item in the title, along with WTS, WTT or WTB.
B. We do not have any rules regarding notification of a purchase or trade in an ad...it can be accomplished via a post on the thread, a PM, an email, a phone call, a pigeon carrier, etc. However, if you set the terms of your sale, you must follow them! We do not require or enforce any conditions of purchase; however, if a member violates their own terms then they are subject to at least suspension from the Marketplace section. For example: If you say, "First 'I'll take it' gets it," and sell to someone via PM or email without updating your ad and someone posts they'll take it, that's on you. We will not be party to a dispute, but you WILL lose your privilege to post in the Marketplace as a minimum since you failed to follow your own conditions.
C. You must list a price, and make it easily visible, not just lost in the description. Ads without a price will be deleted. It is ok to list a price and OBO (or best offer); however, no auction-style listings
D. As noted in item #4, provide ALL and ACCURATE details. i.e color, size, caliber, year, make, model, condition, defects, etc
E. Post pictures, or at least the links to them. If you are unable to post pics, then make them available via e-mail.
F. List shipping, pick-up or delivery options for the buyer, as well as cost.
G. Be sure to mark your ad as "SOLD" once the items are sold.


8. Do not bump ads older than 90 days without moderator approval. Ads older than 90 days will be locked if they get bumped.


9. Do not bump an ad more than once within a 24-hour period. Ads bumped multiple times within 24 hours will be locked or deleted. Members who continually do this will have their ads locked or deleted, and will lose your privilege to post in the Marketplace.


10. Remove previous bump posts so as to keep the size of the threads to a minimum. Nobody wants to have to search through 4+ pages of "Bump" or "ttt" posts simply to find information on the item listed.
If not removed, mods will remove them and/or delete the thread if it gets out of hand.


11. If you commit to buy or sell, please contact the seller or buyer within 24 hours with a PM or email to make arrangements.


12. If an item is sold, please mark the thread as such. This will help eliminate the old threads coming back up, as well as help those looking for specific items.


13. For WTB items anywhere in the Marketplace:
- Only respond to a WTB ad if you possess the requested item or have specific knowledge of that item’s availability. For example, do not post, “Check eBay” or “Check Gunbroker.”
- Once you have found/purchased the item(s) desired, delete the thread so as to not waste other members' time and allow for other threads to have visibility.


14. Keep the classified threads clean of extraneous/fluff comments and questions, regardless of how innocent or praiseworthy. This prevents derailing the thread and generating wasteful, opinionated discussions, as well as surreptitious bumping of threads.
If you have a technical or knowledge question relating to a listed item, start a new thread or search and add to an existing thread.
If you want to thank or praise a seller or item, DON'T do it in the sale thread as it unnecessarily bumps a stale thread, and said comments will be deleted. Instead, do the person the courtesy of posting in the Buyer/Seller Feedback section here:


Basically, if you don't have a question DIRECTLY related to a sale/trade/purchase of a specific thread, don't post! And this particularly applies to stomping a member’s ad concerning their asking price as there is a tendency to post negative replies when someone lists an item for sale that others consider overpriced.
We will not tolerate members stomping another member's ad concerning their asking price.
This also includes posting low-ball offers. If you want to make an offer lower than the asking price, even if it states OBO, do it via PM or email.
If an item is sold and the listing member deleted the price (which is their prerogative) and you want to know what the price was, do NOT post in the thread…send the member a PM.

Those who continually stomp or hijack other member's ads will face temporary, and even permanent suspension of their forum privileges.


15. No duplicate or multiple threads in different sections for the same item. Pick one section, the most applicable, and post there. Additional duplicate threads will be deleted.


16. You may not use the signature block function to solicit purchases, trades and/or sales. That is why we have the Marketplace...post a thread with your specific WTB, WTS, WTT ad.
You may have up to two lines stating you are looking or searching for a particular rifle/weapon and serial number.
As with individual posts, signature blocks/lines are subject to the same forum rules and will be handled accordingly if they violate any forum rules, policies/procedures or take up too much room of a post.


OTHER TIPS/GUIDELINES
- Buyers and Sellers should verify each other’s identity before sending money and/or products. If possible, get each other’s phone number and have a quick conversation to confirm the transaction details.
- As a suggestion: sellers should consider using delivery confirmation to avoid conflicts from buyers; saying they never received the products.
- Buyers, get to know the seller a little before you blindly send cash. If something does not seem right; it probably isn't. If something seems too good to be true; it probably is. Contact a moderator or report a thread/post that appears to be a scam.
- Respect fellow members. This section is a great place to support/help out fellow members and occasionally make new friends. Please be respectful to your fellow members. Maybe try selling here to a member instead of eBay, maybe save them a buck or two. If you have any questions, problems or concerns feel free to contact a moderator or admin.
- We do not require members to keep ads, or keep a listing price in the thread. It is your ad, so you are free to delete it at your discretion, as well as remove the asking price if you so desire. If someone is curious about the price for what an item sold, contact the seller via PM…do NOT post in thread.
- Lastly, don't forget the <b>Buyer/Seller Feedback section</b>

Be sure to express a good or bad experience with your buyer or seller, and let others know what to expect. Also be sure to check there for a member if you are concerned BEFORE you buy.


MODERATION RULES/ENFORCEMENT
1. All spammers get banned instantly and permanently.
2. Inappropriate or out of hand threads shall be closed with or without reason posted for the closure or deleted at the discretion of the Mods/Admins.
3. If you cannot follow the rules set forth, your posts may be deleted, removed, or edited by the Moderators.
4. If you repeatedly do not follow the rules set forth, you will be banned from this section or from the CMP Forum for any length of time from 2 days to permanently, at the discretion of the Moderators.

NOTE: These rules can change at any time. Administrators and Moderators have the right to make any decision that fits the website and its users.


DISCLAIMER
The CMP, any of its staff and forum administrators/moderators assume NO liability or responsibility for Marketplace transactions. Members will use at their own risk, and CMP will not be responsible for any disputes or claims between members involving a transaction.
The Civilian Marksmanship Program forum is intended primarily to be a technically-oriented website for professional, courteous, and intellectual discussion of CMP matches, activities, firearms and related events. We are an online community founded by enthusiasts, for enthusiasts, of all ages and walks of life. Remember that we have youth CMP participants who view this site. Please enjoy your stay and with your help, we can make the CMP Forums safe for all.


The opinions and posts on this site do not necessarily reflect those of The Civilian Marksmanship Program.


If you have any questions, please contact a Moderator

CMP Staff
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    Mods, Please make keep this information public....moderated as you see fit so we don't start a 'hate club' or anything but others need to know this ASAP! Widest dissemination recommended.

    In the past 48 hours I have been scammed, or at least they have tried to, in response to a WTB ad I have placed...in this case WRA receivers.

    Jhall5754 contacted me thru the forum email..I tried to click on his profile to see his name and it said I do not have 'sufficient privileges' to see the user's profile-CONCERN #1.

    His English was broken and he was pushy. The broken English part not such a concern this day & age, but I noticed. However, he was insisting I get the money order Sunday & Monday-both days the Post Office is closed. -DEAD GIVE AWAY #2.

    I explained that to him. I said he was too pushy for me continue to the transaction and wished him luck in the sale of his two WRA receivers. He emailed about 15 times in the two hours that followed...including his broken English...ie. 'if you want these please reply me.' -ANOTHER TELL TALE

    His payment address was a woman's name at a commercial address on the 'first floor.' -AGAIN DOES NOT ADD UP...TOO MANY ODD THINGS...

    So, while I was at work today I got two more PMs and emails....one even included a phone number....in area code 501 'Arkansas.' I emailed and called to both offers....kthom116 'Kelvin Thompson'. The phone call took over a minute to connect and the connection was horrible. I suspect it's a valid number that is forwarded to wherever, my new best friend Kelvin, with his nice Russian accent (yes I know the accent as I speak it too) and he had no clue what I was talking about at first...he insisted I email him even though he emailed me. Sooo, I clicked on his name on the forum and it was a repeat warning of ' do not have sufficient privileges to view the user's profile.'

    The third user is gunsgoner12.....all three of these guys (or possibly all the same person) have corresponding matching emails.

    Be careful out there.

    I consider this site to consist of reputable honest members...but we now have others among us.

    Lastly, I suspect after I post this, it will not be popular with my new best friends....so, if you get an unbelievable offer from me...asking you to send payment to Jersey....please don't believe it.

    Good luck....hopefully the administrators can clean this up......

    r/
    Colin
    Last edited by colin.lee.williams; 09-06-2016, 07:52 PM.

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    I got this today.... Very shady...




    Originally posted by gunsgoner12
    Hello,i saw your post,have got one for sale,message me to my email so i can send you some pictures and more details about it.here is my private email,
    [email protected]

    Thanks
    “A citizen may not be required to offer a ‘good and substantial reason’ why he should be permitted to exercise his rights. The right’s existence is all the reason he needs.” —Federal Judge Benson Everett Legg

    CTNC (IW) / 1995-2021 U.S. NAVY Retired
    NAVY CHIEF, NAVY PRIDE!

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    • #3
      I was contacted by gunsgoner and james3 from my wtb post. Since they didn't have a single post and wanted a direct email, I didn't respond. I hope no one gets scammed.

      Thanks Colin for the post! We have to ban together.
      Last edited by Lynus448; 09-06-2016, 11:25 PM.
      Looking for 89474

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Lynus448 View Post
        I was contacted by gunsgoner and james3 from my wtb post. Since they didn't have a single post I didn't respond. I hope no one gets scammed.
        I got messages from gunsgoner but didn't respond. This jerk wanted me to contact him via his email
        VIOLENCE DOES SOLVE PROBLEMS

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        • #5
          Jeez!!!

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          • #6
            Thanks for the heads-up, but this is a pretty typical MO that has been happening in gun forums for a while now re: WTB adds. We need to stay vigilant with respect to new users along these lines. I have rec'd attempted scam contacts to a few of my WTB's on Rimfire Central as well.
            Kestrel4k feedback thread

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            • #7
              I recieved one the other day in response to a barrel wtb. He emailed me from jhall5754 at g mail dot com.

              And just now I recieved another to my email address from a wtb of an EmCF stock from a "Kay jay" at kayj78 at g mail dot com

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              • #8
                I've received pm's from both gunsgoner12 and james3 in response to a WTB ad. They both requested I contact them through email. Both show 0 posts and "Banned" usernames.

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                • #9
                  Beware

                  Originally posted by Kestrel4k View Post
                  Thanks for the heads-up, but this is a pretty typical MO that has been happening in gun forums for a while now re: WTB adds. We need to stay vigilant with respect to new users along these lines. I have rec'd attempted scam contacts to a few of my WTB's on Rimfire Central as well.
                  ^^^
                  This...and not just gun forums...this pervades ANY forum where there is a marketplace/buy & sell section...AKA money involved!

                  To clarify some of the concerns here and provide SA for everyone, these particular "users," and many like them register just as every one of us did when we first started.
                  Many are bots, some are real humans. The bots are relatively easy to stop with basic verification procedures. Humans are not...some even get registered and then turn over the log-in info to bots.

                  With the vBulletin software used for this forum (and many others), new members wanting access are moved to an "awaiting moderation" group after they submit their request for access, where admin reviews their information to try and ensure they are not either bots and/or spammers.
                  With so many spammers attempting access, as many as 1,800 in a week, it takes a while to get through them.
                  New members can certainly attest to this frustration of waiting weeks to post, but this is part of the reason it takes so long to get accounts activated.

                  BUT...while awaiting moderation (and forum account approval), vBulletin allows these users to send PMs and use the "send e-mail" link.
                  Reasoning is they can then check status of their account with admin and/or mods...I generally get at least a few of these type PMs a week from new members asking for help with account activiation.

                  Unfortunately, those with ill intent have the same capability and use it to perpetrate stuff like this, or just send spam! And just like the spam/scam e-mails or phone calls we all see, they do this across many fronts, and/or forums.
                  Even in the military, with all of our firewalls and blocks, some of these type e-mails get through to our .mil addresses occasionally!
                  We are working with admin to do what we can to stop this. However, just like Jeff Goldblum says in Jurassic Park, "Nature (and scammers) find a way."

                  Majority are dead giveaways as their messages are garbled, or come across like the "Greetings, I am advisor to Prince of Nigeria and I am wanting you to safeguard $10M for our mutuals benefit.." e-mails. And usually have .ru e-mail addresses (Russian), or obviously foreign e-mail addresses.

                  However, the users mentioned here and in my fellow mod's sticky, have outlook, gmail, hotmail or yahoo addresses like most do, and they were fairly articulate, though the example in Yellowsled's post not so much. Not to mention, these chuckleheads obviously "cased" the forum and some users as they were able to solicit information specific to what the user was wanting, as evidenced by posts above, and other evidence we've received.

                  And yes, we know of 2 members here who actually did get scammed out of money by one of these guys!

                  So...it is an unfortunate part of forum life, and given that this is a basic version of vBulletin, which makes it free for everyone...said everyone should exercise some basic procedures to ensure they don't get scammed if contacted by one of these dudes...


                  1. If you get a PM from someone soliciting funds for a purchase, etc, first check to see if they are an approved member here.
                  - Just go to the Community tab at the top and search their username.
                  - If it does not come up, or you get the message Colin mentioned ("You do not have sufficient privileges"), then that means they are either banned, or are in the group I mentioned earlier (Users awaiting moderation). If they are an approved member, you will at least be able to see their profile and basic account info, depending upon what info they have entered and what is available to view.

                  As such, if you do proceed, do so with the utmost caution. We do have this happen time to time from new members with honest/good intentions; HOWEVER, in all cases it was a new member wanting to buy...not sell!


                  2. Feel free to contact a mod or admin to see what the situation is with this particular user if you think it might be legit (had this happen in one case and it worked out for the buyer and seller...but again, this was a new member wanting to BUY something!).


                  3. Beyond that, heed Colins' advice as to the other warnings/red flags, as you would if you received the same solicitation via your personal e-mail:
                  - Being pushy
                  - Name on e-mail doesn't match owner's name or person with whom you talk.
                  - Description doesn't match pics and/or what they write.
                  - Person can't answer basic questions about the product they supposedly have. Remember, ask alot of questions!
                  - PO Box address for payment, or addresses not matching up.
                  - Name for payment doesn't match name of person
                  - Using a 3rd person, or different address for receipt of payment
                  - Or asking you to meet a friend or acquaintance of theirs for payment FTF (NEVER do this!)
                  - Phone calls that sound like what Colin describe...yes, they are using a US # as a proxy for an international number, or another location. Either way, will take a while to connect, you may hear cross-talk, and the connection will be poor.


                  Oh yeah, as hat trick mentions, I have banned all the users mentioned here, along with any associated username aliases.

                  But, it will happen again. As with many activities in life...protect yourself!

                  Good shooting AND surfing!
                  Rob
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                  • #10
                    BTW. Using Gmail is a major give away for scammers. If anything comes to me with a gmail account I trash it.
                    VIOLENCE DOES SOLVE PROBLEMS

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by B747crew View Post
                      BTW. Using Gmail is a major give away for scammers. If anything comes to me with a gmail account I trash it.
                      Many of us use Gmail, that alone isn't a dead giveaway.

                      Creating repetitive posts, deleting things at random and requiring only strict communication protocols be followed is a bigger red flag to me.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Roadkingtrax View Post
                        Many of us use Gmail, that alone isn't a dead giveaway.

                        Creating repetitive posts, deleting things at random and requiring only strict communication protocols be followed is a bigger red flag to me.
                        I respectfully disagree as you'll find that an exceptional number of scams are run out of the country using gmail as a non trackable cover email address. Specific "protocols" in communication keep details of business transactions out of the open forum.
                        Last edited by B747crew; 09-07-2016, 10:10 AM.
                        VIOLENCE DOES SOLVE PROBLEMS

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                        • #13
                          >>Gmail user here<<

                          Well, I guess 747 and I won't be doing any business.

                          None of the "free" e-mail services are readily verifiable. What am I supposed to use, my corporate (work) e-mail?

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                          • #14
                            [QUOTE=ORN197;1513682]>>Gmail user here<<

                            Well, I guess 747 and I won't be doing any business.

                            None of the "free" e-mail services are readily verifiable. What am I supposed to use, my corporate (work) e-mail?[/QUOT




                            Your right none of them are truly verifiable. Doing business with anyone is a conscious decision.
                            VIOLENCE DOES SOLVE PROBLEMS

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                            • #15
                              well you can go ahead and approve rrogan as a member

                              he contacted me yesterday on a carbine I had for sale via PM as he can't post here yet. already received his payment and a copy of his C&R

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