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M1905 Bayonet - so, was it a 'good buy?'

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  • M1905 Bayonet - so, was it a 'good buy?'

    Appealing to the Collective Knowledge Base...

    Just picked up the M1905 with scabbard. I wanted to defer to the knowledgeable here on the site, just to make sure everything appears good to go with this bayonet. The seller really seems to be a stand-up guy, but I've been burned before with a very good reweld (previous seller was unaware) and now I'm a bit paranoid.

    Bayonet is a PAL '43.
    The finish is very good, but is it 'too good' for 80 year old parkerizing?
    Do you see any signs this could be a reweld?
    The Brown/Black grips (AB) may not be correct for a PAL (ie., Cunningham), but they *could* be, correct?
    The locking lever seems to be PAL (marked "P"), as it should be for this year?
    The scabbard is in very good/excellent shape, but it seems legit. Not too concerned about the scabbard.

    Like I said, the seller is a good guy and will allow a return - I just want to confirm this was a 'good buy'.

    Thanks in Advance.

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  • #2
    The PAL, U.S., flaming bomb, and 1943 look like the stampings on the 1943 16" PAL bayonet I've owned for 40 years, so the markings look good to me. I have bayonets with that level of intact original parkerizing, so they do exist. As to it being a re-weld or having been refinished, I 'll defer to the experts.

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    • #3
      I see not welds. It looks correct and a nice find.

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      • #4
        I would say it is not a reweld. The park could be original or it could have been re-parked. Thats always hard to tell.

        From what I remember, the brown grips were only used on UFH bayonets for a short time as they ended up being quite fragile.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Tothemax View Post
          I would say it is not a reweld. The park could be original or it could have been re-parked. Thats always hard to tell.

          From what I remember, the brown grips were only used on UFH bayonets for a short time as they ended up being quite fragile.
          The brown grips are the speckled black/brown grips. Similar to the "black box" grips, reportedly found on Wilde bayonets, but these grips don't have the characteristic black square.
          According to the makers stamp, they were made by Auburn Button.

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          • #6
            It looks correct to me.

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            • #7
              Looks correct to me as well/.

              Brown grips...my "OL" has brown grips but parts is parts so here it is.

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              • #8
                That's an "M1942" M1 bayonet, basically the M1905 pattern. True 1905's were in the white, and the scabbard was entirely different. It is a very rare bayonet, frankly, in that condition, and the finish, while it may or may not be "original", is correct. I say "very rare"...most were cut to 10" blades, the remainder tended to go to Navy units who tended to not take very good care of them and also to sharpen, which is not a good thing since a bayonet is very decidedly, in that era especially, NOT a knife and NOT for cutting. They're rare in that condition, and that one looks very honest.

                For inventory purposes, these were referred to by the military ONCE SHORTENED as "M1905E1", but this one is often referred to as the long "M1" bayonet. That was precisely how the records showed them at McCoy in 1943, by the way.

                You definitely did fine.
                Last edited by jimthompson502002; 03-27-2023, 01:24 PM. Reason: detail

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                • #9
                  A little clarification:

                  ALL of the 16" blades, regardless of when they were manufactured, are M1905 bayonets.
                  Original M1905 bayonet blade finishes, as manufactured, were either: In-the-white, Blued, or parkerized. The finish varied upon the manufacturing era.

                  The military considered ALL of these 16" bladed bayonets as the M1905. The WWII manufactured 16" bladed bayonets were NEVER given the model name "M1".
                  This model name of "M1" was specifically for the 10" blade bayonets.

                  The 16" blade WWII manufactured M1905 are NOT rare. But they are relatively uncommon compared to the 10" M1 bayonets. These un-altered 16" bayonets bring a premium as many were officially shortened to 10".
                  Collectors differentiate the WWII 16" blade bayonets by referring to them as the M1905/42. This is not an official model name, merely a means to ID them for the collector community.
                  Last edited by Guest; 03-17-2023, 09:55 AM.

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                  • #10
                    Bayo looks good to me. Scabbard might be suspect. Full pic of that would tell.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by 1563621 View Post
                      Bayo looks good to me. Scabbard might be suspect. Full pic of that would tell.
                      Scabbard is one of the USGI VP/'53 rearsenal replacements, based on what I've read.


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                      Last edited by Coal-Cracker; 03-17-2023, 07:09 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Show a pic of tip of scabbard, both sides.

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                        • #13
                          That's a nice score. Consensus is that it is legit. Thanks for sharing the pics and for all of the input from others. Classic example of what a collector can earn here.
                          Be Prepared

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by 1563621 View Post
                            Show a pic of tip of scabbard, both sides.
                            Hope these help

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